{"id":930,"date":"2011-05-26T08:25:21","date_gmt":"2011-05-26T16:25:21","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/lisahistory.net\/wordpress\/?p=930"},"modified":"2025-08-18T13:07:03","modified_gmt":"2025-08-18T20:07:03","slug":"two-classes-same-stuff-vast-difference","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lisahistory.net\/wordpress\/2011\/05\/two-classes-same-stuff-vast-difference\/","title":{"rendered":"Two classes, same stuff, vast difference"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Every semester I teach two sections of the same class, using the same content and method, just so I can marvel at the differences.<\/p>\n<p>This semester I had the best U.S. history section ever &#8211; best grades, most social activity, best learning. Why?<\/p>\n<p><em>It&#8217;s the students<\/em>. They form their own dynamic, they come in with decent skills, they get into working online, and the whole class takes off.<\/p>\n<p>We don&#8217;t like to talk about this. We prefer to think it&#8217;s our teaching that leads to students success. Well, up to a point. But I&#8217;ve watched this class as I&#8217;ve taught it for years, and the main variable is the students themselves, what they do and how they do it.<\/p>\n<div class=\"mceTemp\" style=\"text-align:right;\">\n<dl id=\"attachment_931\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\" style=\"width:310px;\">\n<dt class=\"wp-caption-dt\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lisahistory.net\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/05\/sheep.jpg?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-931\" title=\"sheep\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lisahistory.net\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/05\/sheep.jpg?resize=300%2C228&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" hspace=\"10\" vspace=\"10\" width=\"300\" height=\"228\" \/><\/a><\/dt>\n<dd class=\"wp-caption-dd\"><em>cc flickr <a href=\"http:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/phonks\/4790786278\/in\/photostream\/\" target=\"_blank\">Top Koaysomboon<\/a><\/em><\/dd>\n<\/dl>\n<\/div>\n<p>I can tell by the <em>very first posts<\/em>. If they&#8217;re answering each other&#8217;s introductions on their own, we&#8217;re good. If I require that, it means nothing. If they just start responding to the prompt, it tends to stick.<\/p>\n<p>And the pattern depends on who posts first. If the first posters stick to a standard intro (name, grade, future plans, work), the tendency is for everyone to follow suit, and they standardize their responses for the rest of the class, regardless of what I model, say, encourage, etc.<\/p>\n<p>If the first posters are original and creative, everyone reaches a higher level.<\/p>\n<p>I wonder if there&#8217;s a way to &#8216;seed&#8217; this. My comments and feedback mean very little, which is how it should be. It&#8217;s good that they heed each other. I&#8217;m not sure enough research is being done about students setting the tone of a class, but after this class, I think it&#8217;s crucial.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Every semester I teach two sections of the same class, using the same content and method, just so I can marvel at the differences. This semester I had the best U.S. history section ever &#8211; best grades, most social activity, best learning. Why? It&#8217;s the students. They form their own dynamic, they come in with [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[6,10,13],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-930","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-musings","category-online-teaching","category-pedagogy"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/lisahistory.net\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/930","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/lisahistory.net\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/lisahistory.net\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lisahistory.net\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lisahistory.net\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=930"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/lisahistory.net\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/930\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":9998,"href":"https:\/\/lisahistory.net\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/930\/revisions\/9998"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/lisahistory.net\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=930"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lisahistory.net\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=930"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lisahistory.net\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=930"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}