{"id":3650,"date":"2017-04-18T14:27:49","date_gmt":"2017-04-18T22:27:49","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/lisahistory.net\/wordpress\/?p=3650"},"modified":"2025-08-18T13:22:13","modified_gmt":"2025-08-18T20:22:13","slug":"canvas-and-the-impossible-journal","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lisahistory.net\/wordpress\/2017\/04\/canvas-and-the-impossible-journal\/","title":{"rendered":"Canvas and the Impossible Journal"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"p1\">Canvas, of course, does not have<em> x<\/em>.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>In this case, <em>x<\/em> is a blog or journaling or portfolio function.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">Yes, I know you can LTI this, but those never work like they\u2019re supposed to.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.toonpool.com\/cartoons\/blogging_166902\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.toonpool.com\/user\/589\/files\/blogging_1669025.jpg?resize=221%2C221&#038;ssl=1\" width=\"221\" height=\"221\" \/><\/a>Now, if Canvas had real threads, I could use a threaded discussion, with each student controlling their own topic. But Canvas doesn&#8217;t have this<em> x<\/em> either. To do everyone\u2019s journaling on one discussion\u00a0would thus mean scrolling for days and days\u2026<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">So, instead, I tried creating <em>a forum for each student<\/em>, to act as their own space (it\u2019s for an Honors class, so 25 students &#8211; not too bad). Then I realized to grade them in Speed(!)Grader would mean opening them one at a time. Every week or so. Ugh.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">Second attempt. Create <em>one big forum and but have groups<\/em>. Put one student per group, and have all the other students peer grade. That way, each student can post on their own, but everyone can still see the posts and comment.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">The wonderful <a href=\"https:\/\/postschool.wordpress.com\" target=\"_blank\">Laura Paciorek<\/a> helped me test it. We became students. Posting to our own forums as our own group went fine. But when we tried to peer grade, we got \u201cunauthorized\u201d warnings when we clicked on anything to see it. And after this humiliation, we were returned to the \u201cgroup\u201d site, which had its own Home (and everything else) links on the menu &#8212; students would be completely lost and unable to get back to the main course page.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">I considered <em>peer grading as assignments<\/em>, but assignments are one-shot deals &#8211; you can\u2019t keep going back and adding more, making a portfolio.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">I considered <em>each student having their own Page<\/em>, but you can\u2019t grade Pages, and it\u2019s incredibly easy to wipe out everything on a Page accidentally (been there, done that).<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">So reluctantly, I checked out Google (OK Google, fix Canvas). Canvas is supposed to be Google-friendly:\u00a0the Canvas\u2019 \u201cCollaborate\u201d function is a Google Doc, intended to be a single Doc that all students can edit. But I\u2019ve done my research and I know that multiple students working on the same Doc can easily erase each others\u2019 work, because Canvas isn\u2019t Google and can\u2019t actually enable multiple editors at once. Great idea &#8211; get a bunch of people already tentative about collaborative editing to engage that little problem!<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">The Collaboration difficulty was confirmed by <a href=\"https:\/\/community.canvaslms.com\/groups\/k12\/blog\/2016\/03\/13\/a-better-way-to-submit-google-drive-docs-speedgrade-them\" target=\"_blank\">the post that gave me my final idea<\/a> (so far), from Chris Long over at the K-12 Canvas forum: <em>use Google Docs as URL assignments<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><strong><em>So the plan is:<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li class=\"p1\">Have each student set up their own Google Doc as their journal. It\u2019s one page but if they mess up, they can use the revision history to go back.<\/li>\n<li class=\"p1\">Assign \u201cjournal checks\u201d (I think I\u2019ll make the dates random) where they submit the URL as an assignment. I can use SpeedGrader to see, comment, and grade them all quickly. Laura and I tested and the worst thing that can happen is you have to open a new tab.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-3652\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lisahistory.net\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/04\/google-chromescreensnapz003.jpg?resize=393%2C176&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"393\" height=\"176\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">Now, the community\/peer part. Two options here.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">1) I can have these <em>journal check assignments peer reviewed<\/em>. We tried that, and it\u2019s nice because I can see all the peer review comments in Speed Grader. But there doesn\u2019t seem to be a way to track the peers doing the reviewing.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">2) Second option is to have them <em>just comment on each others\u2019 Google Docs<\/em>. I won\u2019t see this in SpeedGrader, but I could manually grade them a few times during the semester as some kind of participation grade, or use a quiz and have them submit the top five comments they felt were most useful to others (Laura&#8217;s using this trick for collaborative note-sharing on a Doc, so I stole it from here).<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">I\u2019ll keep working on this, but, as Laura pointed out, it\u2019s bizarre to go to all this trouble. Canvas should have a blogging\/journaling feature. Canvas should have an option for real threaded discussion. Canvas should have . . .oh, never mind.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><em><strong>UPDATE:\u00a0<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">Laura discovered ePortfolios, which I hadn\u2019t seen because it isn\u2019t <em>in<\/em> the Canvas course &#8211; it resides in the user\u2019s Profile, in the level above the course (like the Inbox). While not as simple as Google, it has its own URL and doesn\u2019t need a separate login.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">My use of it would be similar, except that students cannot comment inside each others\u2019 ePortfolio. So I would use a Discussion to ask for a report, and each student would need to post the URL for their portfolio for each check. It would then be an extra click in Speedgrader to grade each one, and I would have to grade students\u2019 own portfolio and their comments on others\u2019 portfolios together, instead of separately.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s1\">Tutorials <a href=\"https:\/\/community.canvaslms.com\/videos\/1129\" target=\"_blank\">like this one<\/a>\u00a0<\/span>would be needed. And, as with all things Canvas, very specific instructions would need to be given, to dumb down everything as effectively as possible. But ePortfolio allows images and (some) embeddings, and despite its hierarchy (Portfolio &#8211; Section &#8211; Page) might still work. Thanks, Laura!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Canvas, of course, does not have x.\u00a0 In this case, x is a blog or journaling or portfolio function. Yes, I know you can LTI this, but those never work like they\u2019re supposed to. Now, if Canvas had real threads, I could use a threaded discussion, with each student controlling their own topic. 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