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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://lisahistory.net/wordpress/?p=157&#038;cpage=1#comment-16557</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, agreed, agreed! I thought you mean the students&#039; stories. I have know history folks who want to have students&#039; own narratives be a foundation, but see this as hopelessly problematic. Now, primary sources, absolutely! And you know, I certainly agree they&#039;re still &quot;alive&quot;. ;-)

Their real-life experiences, however, often contradict the more lasting expressions of their genius. For example, Rousseau, for all his marvelous education theory and support of breastfeeding children instead of farming them out to wet-nurses, abandoned his own child. So then we&#039;d have to get into all that, about the philosophy being more important than the philosopher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, agreed, agreed! I thought you mean the students&#8217; stories. I have know history folks who want to have students&#8217; own narratives be a foundation, but see this as hopelessly problematic. Now, primary sources, absolutely! And you know, I certainly agree they&#8217;re still &#8220;alive&#8221;. <img src='http://lisahistory.net/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Their real-life experiences, however, often contradict the more lasting expressions of their genius. For example, Rousseau, for all his marvelous education theory and support of breastfeeding children instead of farming them out to wet-nurses, abandoned his own child. So then we&#8217;d have to get into all that, about the philosophy being more important than the philosopher.</p>
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		<title>By: Ulop</title>
		<link>http://lisahistory.net/wordpress/?p=157&#038;cpage=1#comment-16551</link>
		<dc:creator>Ulop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I teach History, of course!  (haha)

Here are some thoughts/questions/riddles which maybe you can help me answer/debate/understand:

1. History is fundamentally a matter of time
2. Story is embedded in History
3. real-life, experiential narrative is about historical events, though not always of the &#039;Hi-&quot; typology
4. The word entered the English language in 1390 with the meaning of &quot;relation of incidents, story&quot;. In Middle English, the meaning was &quot;story&quot; in general.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History
5. History is interpretive

I also think that historical figures (Locke, Rousseau) are still alive, through their recorded writings, adherents, and mimics.  So accessing their real-life experiences is easy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I teach History, of course!  (haha)</p>
<p>Here are some thoughts/questions/riddles which maybe you can help me answer/debate/understand:</p>
<p>1. History is fundamentally a matter of time<br />
2. Story is embedded in History<br />
3. real-life, experiential narrative is about historical events, though not always of the &#8216;Hi-&#8221; typology<br />
4. The word entered the English language in 1390 with the meaning of &#8220;relation of incidents, story&#8221;. In Middle English, the meaning was &#8220;story&#8221; in general.  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History</a><br />
5. History is interpretive</p>
<p>I also think that historical figures (Locke, Rousseau) are still alive, through their recorded writings, adherents, and mimics.  So accessing their real-life experiences is easy.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://lisahistory.net/wordpress/?p=157&#038;cpage=1#comment-16543</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 03:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ulop, what do you teach? I can see storytelling, but for ancient history how one would do &#039;real-life, experiential narrative&#039; is a bit beyond me. I do try to use primary documents and tell shories and analyze them -- did that with Miracles of St Foy last semester. They did enjoy it. But they didn&#039;t learn what the story meant, only the story itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ulop, what do you teach? I can see storytelling, but for ancient history how one would do &#8216;real-life, experiential narrative&#8217; is a bit beyond me. I do try to use primary documents and tell shories and analyze them &#8212; did that with Miracles of St Foy last semester. They did enjoy it. But they didn&#8217;t learn what the story meant, only the story itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Ulop</title>
		<link>http://lisahistory.net/wordpress/?p=157&#038;cpage=1#comment-16535</link>
		<dc:creator>Ulop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 00:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My students like storytelling.  Real-life, experiential narrative.  They report it to be engaging, interesting, easily aborbed and retained.  They incorporate the relayed experiences into their own experiences, making choices as a result, and, for the visual learners, viewing a &#039;video playback&#039; in their consciousness of the story previously told.  

The stories &#039;put content into context&#039;, as the students report.

Stories can be relayed in the classroom, or at a distance via video access. Combined with Q &amp; A, &#039;handouts&#039; and summary of the key points, storytelling is liked by my students.

Perhaps similar to the &#039;vivid lecture&#039;, described above?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My students like storytelling.  Real-life, experiential narrative.  They report it to be engaging, interesting, easily aborbed and retained.  They incorporate the relayed experiences into their own experiences, making choices as a result, and, for the visual learners, viewing a &#8216;video playback&#8217; in their consciousness of the story previously told.  </p>
<p>The stories &#8216;put content into context&#8217;, as the students report.</p>
<p>Stories can be relayed in the classroom, or at a distance via video access. Combined with Q &amp; A, &#8216;handouts&#8217; and summary of the key points, storytelling is liked by my students.</p>
<p>Perhaps similar to the &#8216;vivid lecture&#8217;, described above?</p>
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		<title>By: Alec Couros</title>
		<link>http://lisahistory.net/wordpress/?p=157&#038;cpage=1#comment-16450</link>
		<dc:creator>Alec Couros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OH, sorry, misread that. Bad Dave and George, bad! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OH, sorry, misread that. Bad Dave and George, bad! <img src='http://lisahistory.net/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Alec Couros</title>
		<link>http://lisahistory.net/wordpress/?p=157&#038;cpage=1#comment-16449</link>
		<dc:creator>Alec Couros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EC&amp;I 831 was just closed for the evening (last night). I wanted to make sure that the idea of the open course was explained well to them as I am quite sure, all they have ever known previously to this was the closed setting. Now that they are aware of the type of course they are in, they can make an informed decision of how to participate (or not).

Please do join us next week if you like. Dr. Schwier is our guest, and he&#039;ll be doing some neat things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EC&amp;I 831 was just closed for the evening (last night). I wanted to make sure that the idea of the open course was explained well to them as I am quite sure, all they have ever known previously to this was the closed setting. Now that they are aware of the type of course they are in, they can make an informed decision of how to participate (or not).</p>
<p>Please do join us next week if you like. Dr. Schwier is our guest, and he&#8217;ll be doing some neat things.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Webb</title>
		<link>http://lisahistory.net/wordpress/?p=157&#038;cpage=1#comment-16408</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should never assume students want to try something new, want to embrace the possibilities offered by new technologies, want to take more active charge of their learning.  Because, unless they have been extraordinarily fortunate, by the time we in higher education get to interact with them, they have been socialized and conditioned into all sorts of unproductive attitudes and behavior.  For all too many, &quot;education&quot; is something to be borne, survived, something that inconveniently interrupts the lives they really want to be leading.  Not all, but too many.

Why does the vivid lecturer work?  Because she entertains, she conveys information in a way that is not too demanding for the &#039;audience.&#039;  Most students have been conditioned to accept education passively.  

But she also conveys her own passion and excitement.  I think that is where those of us who think the new digital media offer intriguing possibilities for better learning have to really make a commitment.  We have to model using the tools.  But we also have to model having fun with them.  Learning is fun (point one of the as-yet-unpublished EduFunk Manifesto).  Better learning is more fun.  We will not get students out of their rut of minimum-effort information download without jolting them out of it, by exciting them, by showing them how much fun they are missing out on.  (I am not suggesting you didn&#039;t do this in that course.  I&#039;m just saying it is a key challenge for us all, and one we won&#039;t easily overcome, particularly not without both practice and sharing our successes and failures via our PLNs)

We know what the new media can do.  We know why it can make for better learning.  But THEY don&#039;t.  Yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should never assume students want to try something new, want to embrace the possibilities offered by new technologies, want to take more active charge of their learning.  Because, unless they have been extraordinarily fortunate, by the time we in higher education get to interact with them, they have been socialized and conditioned into all sorts of unproductive attitudes and behavior.  For all too many, &#8220;education&#8221; is something to be borne, survived, something that inconveniently interrupts the lives they really want to be leading.  Not all, but too many.</p>
<p>Why does the vivid lecturer work?  Because she entertains, she conveys information in a way that is not too demanding for the &#8216;audience.&#8217;  Most students have been conditioned to accept education passively.  </p>
<p>But she also conveys her own passion and excitement.  I think that is where those of us who think the new digital media offer intriguing possibilities for better learning have to really make a commitment.  We have to model using the tools.  But we also have to model having fun with them.  Learning is fun (point one of the as-yet-unpublished EduFunk Manifesto).  Better learning is more fun.  We will not get students out of their rut of minimum-effort information download without jolting them out of it, by exciting them, by showing them how much fun they are missing out on.  (I am not suggesting you didn&#8217;t do this in that course.  I&#8217;m just saying it is a key challenge for us all, and one we won&#8217;t easily overcome, particularly not without both practice and sharing our successes and failures via our PLNs)</p>
<p>We know what the new media can do.  We know why it can make for better learning.  But THEY don&#8217;t.  Yet.</p>
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